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Discussion about meat # 274651
19/09/200818:5019/09/200818:50
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So,

Now, while reading, I came across something that I find quite interesting, especially since many say it's super important to eat halal, but still don't pray or fast. But no matter what I found are Koran verses and related statements and interpretations. What do you think?

Quran: 5.3-5
They ask you what they are allowed to do. Say: "All good things are permitted to you; and what you have taught the hunted animals by training them to hunt and teaching them what Allah has taught you." So eat what they catch for you and say Allah's name about it. And fear Allah; for Allah is quick in accounting. [5: 4]
Today all good things are allowed to you. And the food of those to whom the scriptures were given is lawful to you, just as your food is lawful to them. And honorable women of faith and honorable women among the people to whom the scriptures were given before you, if you give them the bride gift, and only for a marriage and not for fornication and secret love affairs. And whoever denies faith, his deed has undoubtedly been nullified; and in the hereafter he will be among the losers.

I found what Ibn Abbas (a cousin of Muhammad) said about the verses:
This is how they interpret the wording of Qur'anic verse 5.5 "The food ..." The earlier commentators and authorities unanimously understood this verse with regard to the slaughtered animals. Ibn Abbas said, "Your food, that is your slaughtered animals .." When Abu Abd Allah was asked about the slaughter of the scriptures, he said: "They do not cause any trouble." He also said: "Whatever the Jews and Christians slaughter may be eaten." And further: "It is no problem that the owners of the scriptures slaughter for the Muslims."

What do you think?

Re: Discussion about meat [Re: CandelaNeu] # 274691
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Nice that you found that, but I don't understand what you're trying to say.

I see that correctly, that it doesn't have to be halal meat, right?


Where did you understand that

Say are you christian? For example, do people here in Germany live according to the Bible? Who rules in Germany? Are the laws here from the Bible or are they completely different laws that have nothing to do with the Bible at all?

If you answer about these questions above, you will also understand the verses about food, and you will also understand why Muslims should eat halal meat.

honorable women among the people who were given the scriptures before you,


This verse is sure to be clear, isn't it? Does that mean that a Muslim can also marry women from the western world?

I asked a question here. I wanted to know if anyone here is a Christian but nobody said yes. Some of those who said yes also made their own religion. That means they don't live exactly according to the Bible. Do women here only have sexual relationships under a marriage contract? Sure no.


Salam


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Re: Discussion about meat [Re: almourabit] # 274703
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Originally written by: almourabit
I asked a question here. I wanted to know if anyone here is a Christian but nobody said yes. Some of those who said yes have also made their own religion. That means they don't live exactly according to the Bible. Do the women here only have sexual relationships under a marriage contract? Sure no.


Salam



Hello,

yes, I am a Christian, go to church regularly, pray every day.
Tinker your own religion?
There are do's and don'ts which one adheres to more or less.
And I think in every religion a lot is interpreted in the way that one would like it most, most comfortably.
Or show me the Muslim who strictly adheres to the Koran.
Show me the Muslims who, for example, have banned music from their lives.
Weddings without music?
Weddings without the obligatory whiskey, which is served in the farthest corner for the men?
Show me the mosl. Family who, as thrown in here, only switch on the television for informational purposes.
Oh, man, I'd like to see what some families would do on the long Ramadan evenings.
No more series without an end.
[~~~~] only with marriage certificate.
show me the mosl. Man who had no premarital relationships of any kind.
Or does that only apply to women?
You could go on and on like that.

Suzann

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Hello everyone


May I ask what's going on here first?

What happened so that everyone (I mean the same gang) shot me at once?

Is that the answer to my questions.

It's nice that I'm not standing in front of you, otherwise you would have made mince out of me and why? Because I just asked or asked a couple of questions about the Bible.

Is it so bad for you when the Bible is openly discussed? I know that something like that is not welcome, but I know that something should be fought by all means.



sorry, but rather honestly without marriage than lying with orfi!



Tell me why does that bother you. Isn't that the reality? Am I writing lies here or what? Sorry, but nowhere is it even not in the law that a woman may not have a husband before honor or have no boyfriend during honor. That is why it is quite normal and even desirable for women to experience their first experience at 16 (sooner or later).

This is life here and I don't care either, because your life is and you are free to do what you want.




Do you even know what the word orfi (in Islam not how people do it) means? Or what does orfi wedding mean?
If you answer these two questions, I will continue to write to you about Orfi.


@Suzann

You are right about many things. You have also forgotten that there are also Muslims from European countries who also marry women, although the verse is clear and unambiguous.

If the Muslims were to live according to their beliefs, you would surely see the Muslims in such a situation. But still it is slowly changing and many are returning to their beliefs.

And something you shouldn't forget. These people sin and do many things, but they know for themselves that they are doing wrong.

I am happy that you are a Christian, so that you can give me the answers to the questions I have asked for a week.

At least this question. if a baby that has just been born dies, does the baby go to hell or paradise according to Christianity?